competitive. now, the sort of meta view, democrats starting to point the finger and assign blame for what they see acknowledging a pretty brutal tuesday next week. >> yeah. certainly democrats nervous about the house in particular and a few key senate races. very much up for grabs. lackland marque, thanks very much. thanks to all of you for getting up "way too early" with us on this wednesday morning now just six days from the midterms. stick around more "morning joe." starts right now. extremism is unlimited to social programs in the economy. they're coming after your right to vote and who gets to count the vote. for rule. you got 300 or 50 so election deniers on the ballot, on the republican ticket. no. this is really deadly earnest, man. democracy is on the ballot this year. along with your right to choose

and right to privacy. >> president biden lays out the threats from "maga republicans" when one of several speeches in the final six days until the midterm elections. we'll look at what the white house and democrats have planned for the final days of the campaign. plus, republican congresswoman liz cheney is crossing party lines, making good on her promise to help defeat election denying members of the gop. also ahead, the man accused of trying to kill nancy pelosi's husband makes his first appearance in court as more disturbing information is coming out about that attack. we're also following alarming developments in the war with ukraine. there is new reporting this morning on high-level talks inside the russian military about using a tactical nuclear weapon. and good morning, and welcome to "morning joe." it is wednesday, november 2nd. joe is back. along with joe, willie and me we

have the host of msnbc's politics nation and president of the national action network reverend al sharpton. u.s. special correspondent for bbc news katty kay is with us and author and nbc news presidential historian michael boesch boeschloss joins us. >> and like barnicle's irish -- put the blanket on the chair. >> nobody would notice. a couple things. willie, the phillies. >> wow! >> where did they come from? >> 7-0 last night. hit five home runs. completely wiped out the astros. up 2-1 in the series. couldn't happen to a nicer bunch of boys down there in houston and an amazing moment where it was clear they were picking up something in the pitcher. lance's pitch. the way he delivered it, tipping it. bryce happener hit the first home run whispered to the guy -- coming up in the next inning.

he hits a home run on the first pitch. seeing something last night. finished a distant third in their division. got into playoffs on a wild card and on an amazing run. up 2-1 in the series after a 7-0 win last night. >> and warburg, way to go red sox. way to go. that's great. he only wanted to stay with the red sox. phillies, just looking unbelievable. so, rev, going from -- let's keep watching these highlights and keep them in the loop. rev and i are talking politics and crime for a second. while we're talking about philadelphia, i thought about you yesterday afternoon, and i saw the pew poll that, again, we talked about how crime is going to impact the pennsylvania races. even if fetterman wins it's tighter because of crime. and i remember we had four black

voters in pg alise's focus group saying crime is the issue. we're afraid to go to work, afraid to go home. oh, it's racist to talk about crime. this pew poll comes out shows among democrats, i believe it's 85% of black voters picked crime as the top issue. 81% of black democrats say crime is the top issue. look at that. white voters. it's at 56% of white voters, but in the democratic party, only 33% of white democrats, and this explains so much of what you've been trying to tell us and teach us for two years. that white woke latte liberals sit in park slope and say, oh, don't talk about crime. that's racist, while you say everybody in the congregation is telling you, crime's a top

issue. >> everywhere i've gone this year and you know i preach a different congregation on sunday because my ministry's national action network, that's all people talk to me about. reverend, we get it about police reform andrights, but what about crime? why aren't you talking about that? i'm talking to real people. reverend michael wallrun, outstanding minister in harlem said this woke analysis of we don't want police is, comes from privileged people, because people that are not privileged need people on the ground to deal with carjackings, deal with home invasions. deal with, they can't walk to the subway. they get on the subway landings and stand back, because they're afraid of being pushed in front of a train. this is a daily reality. there are women and men getting ready to are work right now that are afraid to go to the subway

station. right now, afraid to walk. that's not exaggerating. that's explaining, and if we don't address that, we're not really dealing with the masses we claim to speak for. >> right. who they claim to speak for, and's they don't even know. and, willie, how often do we hear people say, no. you can't talk about crime. that's just a gop talking point. that's racism, when, in fact, you can go back to the black lives matter marches, with some of these woke white politicians, talking about defunding the police. i remember a "new york times" article from 2020 and representatives from park slope talking about defunding the police while representatives, people of color from parts of brooklyn and the bronx were saying, defund the police? we need more police in our schools. we need more police in our

streets. the proof is there for democratic leaders to hear a couple of years. the truth has been there, if they would only talk with the representatives of the people who are on the front lines in this -- this surge in crime, and instead they say, don't believe you're lying eyes. we have data points that shows it's safer than it was in 1979. >> yeah. it's incredibly condescending and gets to a point our buddy writes about it in his new book and says, don't tell people what's important to them. they'll let you know what's important. don't tell them, no, no, no. crime's not important. no, no, no. the border's not important. here's what's really important. that's how you lose voters. the marry of this city knows now, eric adams, elected because quality of life and crime were the number one issues to voters in this city. a former 24-year new york city cop and came in, rev saying, we're not defunding the police. need to make the police stronger while making reforms we need to make. >> and an ex-cop and everybody

knew it and voted for him figuring he could handle it. it's not just one way, because we're seeing in red states crime is happening. oklahoma has a higher crime rate than new york. >> right. >> i mean, this is not just at the liberals. it's everybody has become tone deaf to their talking points rather than the reality of where people are living with every day. >> every day. >> it's a very big issue. we'll have the very latest from all the battleground states with six days to go until election day, but our top story this morning, willie, very latest on the attack on paul pelosi and what we're learning about the attack. >> gets more disturbing the more we learn. new details about that brutal attack on 82-year-old paul pelosi, the husband of house speaker nancy pelosi. prosecutors released a detention memo with new information about friday's break-in and assault at pelosi's san francisco home. according to the document, the suspect, david depape, told police officers he was on a "suicide mission" and had additional targets. without questioning depapp told

officers at the scene i'm sick of the insane level of lies coming out of washington, d.c. i came here to have a little chat with his wife, talking, of course, about the speaker. document reveals at one point before police arrived paul pelosi asked whether he could call anyone for depape. according to the memo, depape "ominously responded it was the end of the road for mr. pelosi." prosecutors alleged depape also had other targets in mind including a bay area professor and some prominent state and federal politicians. none of them named in this filing. depape was arraigned in court yesterday afternoon pleading not guilty to several state felony charges. he will remain behind bars until a bail hearing friday. we also learned, joe, yesterday, that mr. pelosi after hit over the head with a hammer fracturing his skull lay unconscious in a pool of his own blood for several minutes before medical help could get to him and get him back to where he needed to to be get to the hospital. >> right. you guys played clips yesterday.

republican candidates, some being called the future leaders of the republican party, making jokes about an 82-year-old grandfather getting his brains bashed in, passing out. you know, probably fighting for his life. you know, they say he's doing well. you hear, doing well, recovering. family by his side. chances are good if you're 82 years old and get your skull fractured, brutally assaulted, you're fighting for your life. >> in a lot of pain. >> a horrible impact going the rest of his life yet you have the rising star of the republican party lying about what happened, saying there was a gay prostitute he was meeting that night, and they kept stirring it up. i don't have to say again the lead, the leader of twitter. the richest guy in the world spreading that lie. and republicans, one after another republican, dismissing this. you know, mika, you did a monologue on this a couple days ago so powerful. and a lot of people talking to me about it out in california.

i'm like what are you doing up that early? but they were talking about it. it seems that as days go by, your words become even more true, because we didn't know everything then. this was just such a savage attack and the conspiracy theories oh bizarre. now republicans are resorting to -- why can't they just say what nancy pelosi said after steve scalise got shot. why can't they do that? what's wrong with that? this isn't about politics. this is about who raised you? are your parents really proud you mock 82-year-olds getting their brains bashed in? you just can't say this is a tragedy, it's bad for america. we're praying for you? why can't you say that, republicans? mitch mcconnell said it. few others have. what's wrong with your soul? i've been in congress. i can guarantee you, it's not worth selling your soul for. in fact, it's not worth selling, like, baseball cards for.

it's not worth it. but now you have, j.d. vance, now gone to phase two. okay. caught lying. >> right. >> our conspiracy theories were flat out lies. and now you have j.d. vance going, yeah, yeah, it's bad. but the real problem, this is the democrats' fault because an illegal alien was in america and he committed that crime, and that's the problem. so -- ladies and gentlemen, j.d. vance wants you to know -- >> yeah. >> -- that we talked about public safety. we have now learned according to j.d. vance last night that the problem in america with this crime surge, the reason san francisco and oregon hang by a thread, about to fall into a cesspool of anarchy. get this. little butter said this last night. it's because canadian workers

overstayed their work visa. that's it. here's the bite. terrence and phillips, from south park. they're the cause here. they overstayed their work visa, and that's why locusts are descending from the heavens eating our flesh. here's little butters. >> what happened to paul pelosi was disgusting and i think everybody democrats or republicans or somewhere in the middle are very glad it looks like he's about to make a full recovery. hopefully doing well. certainly our thoughts and prayers are with paul pelosi but i've condemned violence from the very begins. preposterous, disgusting and something all of us vo condemn. i've also said i think the effort to turn this into political issue actually is a real problem here, because paul pelosi was attacked -- [ applause ] -- look, paul pelosi was attacked by a person who's an illegal alien in our country, should never have been here in the first place. my view very simply is that we

need to deport violent elegal aliens. okay? and -- [ applause ] -- and when an illegal alien attacks paul pelosi it's tragic and terrible but it's not reflective of republicans. it's reflective of the fact we let way too many violent people live freely in our country. >> how did you know the but was coming there? you could see the wind up from the -- well, paul pelosi -- >> let's not make this political. >> first of all, let's not make it political. the guy had a maga, basically a maga statement, that was out there. >> twist ties. >> he said he was coming to kill her for political purposes. he was going to try her. he was going to bust her kneecap. he was going to send messages to election deniers. he said he was going to shoot people in the media that didn't follow the lie about the stolen election. it is one of the most political

attacks we can imagine. so that's -- that's the thing, again, that he gets wrong, but, again, you talked about this a couple days ago. it's only gotten worse for these republicans that, again, can't just come out and say this is really bad. we have a problem with violence, fascism, growing sort of fascism on our side that started with donald trump. they can't just say that. instead saying, don't say the word fascism. don't say that word. talk about something else. what would you like to talk about? the phyllis? no. we have violence being stirred up by donald trump and his acolytes. >> you know, i'm curious, because i know that this problem wouldn't have happened five,10, 15 years ago. when you were in congress, even, the person who could stem this violence, stop the violent rhetoric, stop future violence are republican leaders. people like kevin mccarthy

hysterically called donald trump when he knew he was the one who could stop the violence on january 6th. who are the people that could stop the violence happening now? >> donald trump could. >> and republican leaders? >> no, not really. >> are you kidding me? they absolutely could. >> no, they couldn't. >> they could. mitch mcconnell standing alone in a silo is not helpful. all republicans in congress. all republican leaders -- being compelled to come together in unity and prayer and say, stop, and committing to stop spreading conspiracy theories and lies? yes, it would help. >> i think the sickness is so deep within the base of the party, the maga base that follows donald trump. the extreme maga base. i think the sickness is so deep among them that if somebody criticized this violence the way they should, i think they would be seen, katty kay, as sellouts. that's why on election day, i

mean, on january the 6th, when they were counting electoral votes, what did all of those republican members say to donald trump? you got to call them off. you got to tell them to stop. you got to tell them to go home. why did they all, why were those republican leaders screaming on the phone at donald trump, begging him to tell them to stop and go away? because they knew that this fascism, let me say the word again if it makes you uncomfortable. let me say it again, the fascism that starting rising in 2015 when donald trump started praising violence, started telling people of color that were in congress to go back to where you came from, when he started praising congressmen who beat up reporters for simply asking a question about health care reform. we said there were good people on both sides in charlottesville. when he had people like steve bannon talking about the violence that was going to be unleashed on january 6th, and

roger stone and the people that he was talking about when he tried to steal the election. the lawyer says you can't steal an election. writes a tweet, 2:00 a.m., come to washington, d.c. january 6th it's going to be wild and donald trump telling proud boys to stand by -- stand by -- and donald trump while mike pence was running for his life, according to his own secret service, telling their families probably not coming home. killed by donald trump's angry mob. mike pence gets a tweet directing the crowd to be even more angry at him while they're already shouting "hang mike pence." katty kay, it wasn't until donald trump told them to go home. told these "patriots" to go home, that they went home. >> hmm. >> i wonder whether the tragedy of this now is that even if

donald trump came out tomorrow and said actually you know what? the 2020 election was totally free and fair. joe biden won it. whether the millions of americans who have now been persuaded otherwise would suddenly say, okay. fine. we agree with donald trump. i almost think it's gone beyond any one person. any one republican leader, and i don't know that donald trump even donald trump has it in his power anymore to direct people like depape or to make them change their minds, because the level of misinformation out there and the level of fervor almost seems to have overtaken, overtaken him and the republican leadership. he injected this into the system, but it spread like a virus. and i wonder whether the virus has taken control? i mean, interesting to see. just having an example of this, right, in brazil right now at the moment where you had an election and you've had a leader who hasn't actually yet called his successor to say, okay. i concede.

you won. you've got truckers snarling up the roadways in most of the country. he came out yesterday saying something, will those trucker now step down? i wonder when you release these populist movements fueled by social media, what did the defense lawyer say in the case of depape jp he had a vulnerability to misinformation, seems to be the defense now. that once people have that vulnerability to misinformation, do they actually listen to any one person anymore? has this gone beyond, even donald trump's power to control? >> make no mistake of it. cult leaders, fascists, televangelists who are in it for the money and not for god. >> pray on the vulnerable. >> they prey on the most vulnerable. they are the people they want to do their bidding. whether it's to send their social security checks to their

televangelist ptl minister , ministry or commit to the streets and commitment violence. michael beschloss, remind everybody against exactly hats happened. take a look at this. >> we're not allowed to punch back anymore. i love the old days. you know what they used to do to guys like that in a place like this? they'd be carried out on a stretcher, folks. i'd like to punch him in the face. i'll tell you. >> you see somebody getting ready to throw a tomato, knock the crap out of him. would you? seriously. okay? just knock the hell -- i promise you, i will pay for the legal fees. >> reporter: the white house wrangling with ongoing backlash over all the words president trump didn't say in the wake of the violent crashes in virginia not specifically calling out white supremacist groups behind it all. >> you look at both sides. i think there's blame on both sides and i have no doubt about it and you don't have any doubt about it either.

>> you have very bad people in that group but you also had people that were -- very fine people. on both sides. >> reporter: referred to protesters at thugs and wrote, when the looting starts, the shooting starts. but the president claimed no awareness of that expression's link to 1960s racial unrest. then used by a miami police chief who wielded tough tactics in black communities. >> i am your president of law and order and an ally of all peaceful protesters. >> this is an extraordinary escalation on the streets in front of the white house right now within the last 15 minutes, mounted police have been coming down the street. you're going to see them in the frame now. using flash bangs in front of them and mounted police to clear what has been an entirely peaceful protest. not 90%. not 99% but 100% of people protesting here today, people throwing -- there was no

throwing of water bottles. no throwing of objects, and a short time ago mounted police officers have been clearing the street. tony, pan to the right. show the military police. show the military police on the side of the street. over the last half hour, we've had military police. we had secret service officers. we've had park police and now we've had national guardsmen lining the fence. stepping up closer and closer and closer over the last few minutes. >> reporter: there continues to be a constant roar of sirens and helicopters you've been on the white house grounds that the president was ob obviously able to hear heading over to the park. one thing the president wasn't able to hear any of the protesters because the police and the national guard had aggressively pushed them out of that park just moments before the president made his walk over there. >> we're going to walk down pennsylvania avenue. i love pennsylvania avenue. and we're going to the capitol, and we're going to try and give

the democrats are hopeless. they're never voting for anything. not even one vote. but we're going to try and give our republicans, the weak ones, because the strong ones don't need any of our help. we're going to try and give them the kind of pride and boldness that they need to take back our country. >> so that sign at the end there, michael, says "ploeelosi satan." looking for nancy walking through the halls of the capitol. saying it out loud. a sentiment of the person who broke into the house saying, where's nancy, where's nancy stood over paul pelosi holding a hammer. >> there's a through line. the through line large numbers of republicans have lied about the 2020 election. said itstolen there donald

trump. lied about january 6th saying just tourist the visiting capitol hill. so in this atmosphere it's almost inevitable on social media you would see the lies about this tragedy that happened to paul pelosi in san francisco a couple days ago all on top of the fact that, you know, let's ask the question, you know, joe is quite rightly mentioning fascism. here we are this week exactly 100 years after mussolini and the fascists came to power in italy. how do fascists come to power? one way that's almost always there is they ferment violence and try to distort it. mussolini did it, hitler in 1933. other outbreaks of violence so hitler and mussolini said bring me into the government, because you, the government, cannot control this violence, and we

have to make things safe, and the people were in the government said you know, bring mussolini and hitler in, because maybe they will behave better. donald trump has been doing that for seven years. we're seeing that happening once again. >> and there has been political violence on both sides for years. the what about-ism, ridiculous. shameful since this all began. people talking about what happened outside judge kavanaugh's home. justice kavanaugh. by the way, made no friends watching this show by saying people shouldn't protest outside of his house. condemning remarks that chuck schumer had made earlier made no friends. actually, we didn't make any friends talking about the way the democrats acted during this confirmation hearings end of those confirmation hearings. so we're -- we've all along said

what we've said about kavanaugh, been very clear about that. there's a huge difference, though, between a guy who wants to commit suicide and goes to the cops and says i want to commit suicide. i -- i've got a gun in a suitcase and thinking about killing a justice, and somebody that breaks in and bashes the brains -- i mean, there's a guy who actually -- thinking about it, and then there's the violent act. so that's one. and second thing. i think even more glaring is the reaction to scalise. when steve scalise was shot we showed clips yesterday of nancy pelosi mournfully talking about how sad she was and democrats all -- circling around him and praying for him and wanting the best for him. we have republican candidates out mocking paul pelosi, an

82-year-old grandfather getting his brains bashed in, and an injury that could be life threatening, well it is life threatening. >> manipulating history saying that didn't has for steve scalise. >> they're lying. again, we've had extremists on both sides throughout american history. the difference here is that for six years you have had a leader that has been using violent rhetoric, who's been promoting violence in his own rallies. been promoting violence against the other side. promoted violence on january the 6th, praised violence on january the 6th. spread conspiracy theories among his political movement that people believe. they still don't believe the truth about january the 6th, because they won't even watch the video. you could hear that last night in the ohio debate. they haven't even watched this

video. and it's all because the guy at the top has created a -- a -- a fascist sort of violent, violence that permeates the entire movement. the entire maga movement. they either commit acts of violence, they speak violently, or they -- they apologize for violence. there's a -- there is no what about-ism here. is there, michael? >> no, there's not. i think that's something that you've seen in donald trump from the very beginning. you showed that rally where he said i'd like to punch him in the face. is that something dwight eisenhower would have said at a rally or john kennedy would have said? i can't think of any president of the united states or major party president in all of american history who would have said such a thing because they understood that a big part of being president is assuring

public safety and keeping people calm. donald trump shows the signs of an authoritarian who says, i profit from violence. i exploit it. you know, one thing that really shows this is go back to 1968. donald trump was 22 years old. he was living in queens. queens went heavy for richard nixon and george wallace. nationally, those two candidates as all of you know this morning got 57% of the vote, and what did they say? we're tough on crime. democrats are soft. nixon put on commercials saying we see cities enveloped in smoke and flame. you know? people are killing. he was right to some extent, but look at that all the way through willie horton, the george h.w. bush campaign did not put on those commercials but people on their behalf did, and they worked extremely well. so you've got someone who would like to see violence, but more

than that know what it wants. >> nbc news presidential historian michael beschloss, thank you very much for coming on this morning. still ahead on "morning joe," new polling shows some closely watched races in arizona and wisconsin. they're tightening. we're digging into those new numbers. plus a moment of bipartisanship on the campaign trail. joined by democratic congresswoman elissa slotkin on the heels of her event with gop congresswoman liz cheney. also ahead, ohio senate candidate's tim ryan and j.d. vance shared the stage at a town hall event last night as we showed you. what they had to say to voters. and new reporting this morning on how president biden is trying to strike a balancing act in his closing message ahead of the midterms. you're watching "morning joe." we'll be right back. we are not walk caucus or the other in this house today, but we speak for each other in

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>> yeah. tim ryan went on fox news, fox news town hall. clearly trying to win over some republican voters who may be skeptical of j.d. vance. talked about a ton of stuff. sat down with bret baier and martha mccowan and martha asked congressman ryan about a moment he had on our show last month where he said we have to kill and confront the extremist part of the republican party. not all republicans, but got to kill and confront the extremist part of it and then work with what he called the normal mainstream republicans. here was his response in that exchange. >> when you say the maga movement should be killed and confronted, who's in that category. >> the guys who stormed the capitol on january 6th. they are the lead -- the -- [ applause ] they're the leaders. this is what i'm saying. they stormed the capitol on january 6th. they beat up 140 police officers, killed one. okay? they killed one.

we all -- look, we all -- we all watched the -- we all watched the video. we all watched the video. >> let him finish, please. >> i'm happy to have this conversation. i'm not afraid to have this conversation. these are the conversations we need to have in this country. i welcome you guys. let's just be respectful, but i'm not afraid to stand here and defend my position. on january 6th, 140 -- i sit on the subcommittee that funds the capitol police. these are my friends. 140 of them got hurt and some of them still can't go back to work because they were beat up with lead pipe, sprayed with pepper spray, beaten with flagpoles trying to overthrow the government. trying to stop the peaceful transition of the government. what else were they doing there? they were going to kill mike pence, kill nancy pelosi. now somebody's beating up nancy pelosi's husband with a hammer. j.d. vance raised money for the

insurrectionist. made several social media posts to raise money for them. again, i don't care what your politics are, but americans should say, no! we have to say no to that. >> and he did get applause end of that answer where he sat pashtly. the booing you heard over the death of other sicknick who died the next day. >> the next day. >> and suffered. >> whose mom said he was killed by what happened there. >> yeah, but it's a fact. he's run such a good campaign. tim ryan, walking a tightrope of being a democrat in a state that's gone red the last couple presidential elections trying to win over some republican whose, again, are not in love with j.d. vance in ohio. >> uh-huh. >> right. j.d. vance is a weird guy. i mean, for ohio. republicans look at him as being a weird guy. talked to republican donors. said it here before. republicans say the worst candidate ever at that level. the laziest candidate. disinterested. gets in fights with his own

donors. >> well, georgia -- >> yeah. >> they like him in georgia. >> but they like him in georgia. j.d. vance, unlike herschel, j.d. vance never won a heisman trophy and a national championship. let me just tell you. in ohio, or in georgia. that -- as robert frost would say -- has made all the difference. but j.d. vance is a weird guy. a venture capitalist. wrote his book, loved being around elitists. loved going on shows like this. he loved going to cocktail parties and -- ooh, j.d. you understand, the hoy pa loy, yes, i do and butters in his venture capitalist vest and sit there, i like france. i like venture capitalist -- smartest people in the world. j.d. vance. yeah. doesn't that sound just like him? >> yes. >> so -- there is this weird disconnect between that guy that peter thiel has placed in the

heartland. a guy who got rich by mocking his own people and making them look like zombies. let me tell you something, baby. i wouldn't have gone back to my high school reunion if i had written a book saying, oh, my friends at the high school reunion i looked in the windows. they had eyed like zombies. he got rich and famous by kicking his own people. >> hmm. >> so, yeah. i don't know that that's a winning -- a winning formula, but i will say, we know tim, right, for a long time. really grown in this campaign. he's good. not that good down the center. >> he's run about as good of a campaign as i think i have seen. >> yep. >> on this level. >> democrats across the nation said ryan's run as good a campaign as one could run in ohio. a state that has dramatically trended red. a state most democrats didn't think was even in play this time around. a state to this moment national

democrats still not funding. congressman ryan has been on the show a couple of times still have not despite my pleas for the national party still not getting the help i need in the stretch run. the fact polls are close as they are helped. a carpet bagger, shifted positions on party stances a number of times. this is one democrats can hope ryan get across the finish line. polls have him just down. regardless the of the effort he's run a remarkable campaign in a very different state. >> talk about georgia. herschel just keeps getting more and more strange. by the way, on just on a personal level. not talking politics. just -- stay off your twitter machine. when i see herschel out there i actually see that as a tragedy for herschel and his family. he doesn't belong there. he's been pushed out there by donald trump. he's not ready for primetime, and he keeps saying things that

are just absolutely humiliating. yesterday, you know, talking about barack obama needed to go back to wherever he came from. and -- and just -- just -- more bad news coming out every day for people who have been affected by herschel throughout his life. i do find it -- i just -- i can't -- i can't believe that the people of georgia would vote for a guy that has had as many problems. >> he's just not fit for the job. >> he's not fit for the job. not qualified for the job, and -- and doesn't -- he doesn't have the capacity to effectively be a united states senator. >> don't forget the second woman who accused him of paying for an abortion came forward and did an interview. put herself out there, which had to be something she did not want to do, and, you know, so when mika raised georgia, talking

about j.d., yeah, you're right. j.d. vance never won a heisman, but no one ever accused my friend in georgia of ever writing less known reading a book. kind of balances itself off. >> and talk about john fetterman, whether or not he's fit to serve after having a stroke and can he talk? has anyone interviewed herschel walker and listened to him on the issues? >> talking about the -- where j.d. vance had gotten rich and he did mocking his own people. do you know how people -- i've been to georgia twice -- how people in the black community feel that this is an example you put up to our children? it really is condescending, and only donald trump the would see everybody as pawns that he moves around comes out, i remember when he was partnering with don king. there putting bokkers in the ring. didn't matter whether good or bad. match this because i got a

feeling at atlantic city convention center -- how he threw herschel into this bout with a man who is qualified and educated. just throw a black in there. my god. used to be on a football team i owned. herschel. and it's insulting to blacks and whites in new york. >> and if you read, there is -- there is -- there's just a historical pattern here. talking about the rise of totalitarianism and documenting rise of fascism. she says that strong men do? they replace competency with loyalty. >> yeah. >> so they'll get rid of the senators, get rid of the members of congress, get rid of the bureaucrats who are competent, can make the country better and replace them with stooges. >> exactly what's happening here. >> idiots. >> exactly. >> look at dr. oz.

not qualified. he's a tv doctor that sold magic beans. >> from new jersey. >> and -- from new jersey, votes in turkey. look at j.d. vance. talked about j.d. vance. look at herschel walker. you look at blake masters out in arizona. you have people that are unqualified, and in every respect, to be a united states senator, but, again, replace competence with sheer political hackery and they fit the bill for donald trump. >> and loyalty to donald trump. hand-picked. j.d. vance, dr. oz, herschel walker, dbt blessed as well. you hear earlier played about j.d. vance, paul pelosi being attacked. why is there a but? you hear fear of donald trump, you hear fear of donald trump's voters, if i just give an unqualified condemnation of what happened, which should be easy for anyone with any characte am

i going to get in trouble? lose a few votes? just a microcosm, what you see in the republican party. fear of donald trump. >> and you pointed out yesterday kevin mccarthy screaming hysterically at donald trump to, please, stop the rioters and a month later going to apologize for his behavior. it's sick. >> mccarthy his comeback into the republican party. visit to mar-a-lago started his rehabilitation trump silent? conspiracy theories more than meets the eye to this encounter at pelosi's house even though, of course, police says otherwise. >> he says, wasn't there something about the glass was broken from the inside? >> yeah. >> the whole nine yards of this conspiracy, but i don't know. let's check it out. he knows what he's doing. feeding into this madness going on. coming up, a major battle for the southern region the

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whew! how are we doing today, mika? >> well, things aren't good in ukraine. >> thinking about going to philadelphia. we'll get to ukraine but 30 seconds, the phillies. >> what? >> they had magic now. harper home run first inning. spectacular. felt like the stadium was going to collapse upon itself. heard willie say earlier, astros pitcher tipping pitches. i would like to note. irony. houston astro playing a team that might know what other pitch is coming. discovered fillphillies, major league baseball, ah, that's fine. you can have this one. call it even. momentum. next two at home. >> got to say, too, about bryce harper. i don't know why, but one of the millions of people never really cared for him in washington, for whatever reason. he's just -- he's next level.

he almost -- i hate to say this. this is hard to say -- but one of the most clutch hitters i've seen since ortiz. before that reggie jackson for the yankees in these big moments. bryce harper, man, go the to put him there. still got to say, what he did in the national league championship series. one of the great moments in baseball. >> the eighth inning home run in the rain to give them the lead there. remember harper, who, he's someone came in as the most touted prospect baseball has seen in decades and lived up to the hype. >> nats fans who don't love him but won two mvps, has put up hall of fame-level numbers. only 30 now. and he is having, right now, an october for the ages. >> rises to the moment. listening in the car. driving around last night, and dan shulman, espn radio guy says, done a lot of games in this career said the loudest

ever in a stadium ever, when bryce harper hit that home run. electric. >> really, this is also one for the ages. mika always gets freaked out, because, you know, i know all the world series. >> yes. >> philadelphia doesn't have -- they went to the world series in 1915 and lost to the red sox. 1950, and lost to the yankees. didn't get back until 1980 when they finally won and then won in 2008. >> right. >> there is no history for this baseball crazy town. so, man, this is -- put them there with boston before we won in '04 and with -- with chicago and now unfortunately cleveland. we all have to vote cleveland over the finish line. since 1948, but that town, man. they are hungry for a winner and this is -- this is one for the ages if they can pull it off. >> a long way from over. >> a long way. >> still really, really good. say philly has the best nfl team in the league. both playing this thursday

night. world series and eagles game, same night. >> and houston. >> sixers fun to watch. >> and phillies suffered so much. if it weren't for the dh harper wouldn't have played all year. change of the rules because he's been hurt, all year. now, you know what i really want to talk about? ukraine. >> i can tell you're with your friends here. can we work now? oh, right. okay. russia has stepped up its efforts this week to push out ukrainian citizens from the region of kherson moving them across the river eastward into areas more solidly held by russian forces while russia claims the move is to protect civilians ukrainian officials say it's part of a campaign to terrorize and deport them. russia has been relocating civilians from the area for weeks ahead of a potential battle for control. kherson is one of the four

territories illegally annexed by russia in september. its capital city provides an access point to crimea and the black sea along with a path to ukraine's southern coastline for invading russian forces. >> admiral, bring us up to date, if you will. where are we? >> first and foremost, russia continues to flail badly. secondly, talking about the astros stealing signals. we are stealing a lot of signals. we're winning in the information and intelligence war in ways that are really hurting them. thirdly, watch the city of kherson, that we just showed. thats going to be an absolutely critical, key place geographically as mentioned. it guards the entrances to crimea, the main ball for putin. psychologically, it's huge. it's the last major town still held by the russians. >> do russians have the wherewith all to hold it at this

point, give it momentum? >> no. i do not think so. i think kherson will fall the next couple of weeks and then enter old man winter. this thing will slow down on the ground. last thought, joe. watch the sea. watch the black sea. watch the fact that the russians have pulled back on his grain deal that's going to hurt huge swath of the developing world. >> right. >> if the grain can't get out. right now, today, as we are talking, brave sea captains, merchant ship captains, are still sailing that grain out. >> wow. >> without guarantees from russia for safety. >> quickly -- >> watch the sea. >> quickly on that, even as you're talking breaking news. russia says it will rejoin the deal allowing grain shipments from ukraine's ports, relieve uncertainty around grain supply. >> unusually good news. why putin has chosen that path. not because of his better angels. it's because he knows if he tried to stop those grain

shipments they'd be u.s. navy destroyers up there in about five minutes. nato ships. we would escort that grain just like we escorted oil tankers back in the he 1980s. >> katty, very interesting if they can't hold on, if the russians can't hold on and ukrainians at the doorstep of crimea. at that point we move from a military situation to a diplomatic situation where vladimir putin has made clear that crimea is the red line for him. >> yep. >> when you start talking about tactical nuclear weapons. we could be coming, even before winter, to a flashpoint, the likes of which we really haven't seen since the cuban missile crisis. >> yes. i mean, a few things going on that might be putting pressure on vladimir putin right now. one is they're keeping an eye on the u.s. midterm elections to see whether the u.s. maintains its resolve, particularly with

some of the splits seen. actually not just within the republican party to some extent within the democratic party as well around both carrying on funding, weapons for the ukrainians, but also trying to push the white house to get into some kind of diplomatic negotiations. society russians are watching that very closely. the ukrainians are watching that very closely with the very real a prospect that december might be one of the last big moments for a usa package to the ukrainians, but this talk of a possible tactical nuclear strike, this confusion here in washington about whether, how serious it this? how much is this, the kremlin just wanting to raise fear in the west? are they just using this, the talk of this, the meetings around this, are they just using that as a way to terrify the west and should we keep that, you know, in some kind of perspective, which is what the white house and the pentagon seem to be saying. listen, we haven't seen any movement on nuclear strikes.

we're not seeing anything that makes us think they've changed their nuclear posture, tamp down rhetoric on that, because actually the west getting afraid of that is exactly what vladimir putin would like. >> crossed over top of the hour talking to admiral james on the weapons. "new york times" reporting senior russian military leaders recently held conversations about how and when moscow might use a tactical nuclear weapon inside ukraine. a number of senior officials tellings "times" russian president vladimir putin was not a part of those discussions but "the fact that senior russian military leaders were even having the discussions alarmed the biden administration showing how frustrated russian generals were about their failures on the ground suggesting that mr. putin's veiled threats might not just be words." american paper notes seen no weapons moved into place or taking other tactical meshes to

prepare for a strike. the national security council declined to report on this, which nbc news was not immediately able to confirm independently. admiral, how concerned are you with someone who studied this stuff and worked in the field on this stuff about the possibility of a tactical nuclear weapon, willie, supreme commander, held the nuclear codes and very familiar with this terrain. first i offer reassurement. take the strategic nuclear exchange. the kind of apocalyptic movement off the table. putin, despicable, loves his country. give him that. he's not going to rish to a strategic nuclear and blow things up. >> you don't think so? >> i do not. nuclear weapons waved about to frighten us. his generals would talk about it

you just like our je generals wd be talking about it. we shouldn't overweight that. put a number on it, i'd say less than a 10% chance. that's still kind of high that he would use a tactical nuclear weapon. >> right. but he understands, again, the consequences. >> he does. >> are the end. because at that point, use it, a tactical nuclear weapon, nato and the united states sweeps through ukraine in about 15 minutes. >> yeah. >> he does understand. they do understand they are so overmatched by u.s. military power. by the way, can you believe at beginning of this war that idiots on the far right, that actually have power, were mocking the power and the strength and the resolve of the united states military and said they're woke forces. if only we could be more like russia, when they have all the evidence, all the evidence in the world that we can send 2,500

people to syria and they stop, kill the russians. stop the iranians, they kill isis. they stop iran. they stop assad. they stop turkey. they protect -- 2,500 -- by the way, we pulled 2,500 people out of afghanistan and there's absolute anarchy and chaos. so -- so i just -- a two-part question, because i know this is a side note, but i'm in a rage, because it continues. they've got lindbergh running, charles lindbergh running the heritage foundation, was once a foundation, you know, people like reagan and thatcher loved. >> yeah. >> and revered. they're now american firsters and they're attacking the u.s. military saying the u.s. military is weak. listen, what you and i both wan, a 350-ship navy. i'm sure. give me more ships. i'm from pensacola.

always more ships. but there is no comparison. so could you just for the right-wing freaks who hate america, hate the fbi, hate institutions just like people on the far left hated those institutions in the 1960s. first of all, can you explain how powerful the united states is in relation to the rest of the world, and secondly, the consequences of a tactical nuclear weapon and how many minutes it would take the united states military and 101st airborne and all of our men and women to sweep across ukraine and be on the doorstep of the russian border, if they did that? >> i can do that. part one. let's put it in dollars. just do the numbers. the russian defense budget is $60 billion. the us dense budget $800 billion. the rest of nato, by the way, europe, the combined defense budget of europe is $300 billion a year. triple that of russia.

>> and china's? >> china's is around $200 billion. >> $200 billion. >> at most. >> at most. >> a good information to combine the russian and chinese defense budgets and they're smaller than the european defense budget, lit alone ours. >> by the way, i don't even mean to interrupt you be but like a southern member of the armed services committee. so admiral, tell me this, how many chinese generals have ever been in a battle with -- where they've had an unfriendly fire aimed at them? >> i'm going to hold up the international symbol for "zero." >> zero. by the way, this is important, too. i don't mean to go on all of these trangants but when i hear these right wingers attacking the men and women of the u.s. military, it enrages me, because we're stronger than the rest of the world, than any country's been since the roman empire. >> yeah. >> and so -- we have heard about how horrible the military's been

over the past 20 years. they, of course -- we have had some tragedies, over 4,000 men and women have died in iraq and afghanistan at the same time we have brought stability to that part of the world. until we left. we did it in afghanistan, until we left. we did it in iraq, until we left. at the end. and our troops are such now that we're just at a different level than any other country, and the chinese are training the ukrainians -- the ukrainians are winning not jut because of our troops. not just because of our weapons but our training. >> absolutely. >> they're so much less likely to go into taiwan now. aren't they? >> president xi, asking, number one, or my generals as bad as they appear to be? answer, all trained in the same war colleges come out of the soviet system.

number two asking, i wonder if those taiwanese will fight like hell the way that the ukrainian have? i think the answer is, yes. been to taiwan, met with the president. there's no much quit in the taiwanese. and number three, you're asking yourself, if you're president xi, hey, my economy's too big to sanction. right? hmm. well, maybe we could do some precision guided sanctioning. so president xi has all that and to your oh point. capability is great but also experience in combat, and the united states for better or for worse has seen significant combat operations since the korean war in the 1950s. in vietnam. the persian gulf, iran, afghanistan, countless other places. we ar highly blooded army and navy and air force. china has not been in a sustained war since 1950. so all of that creates doubt. so, no, i don't see president xi making a move. final thought, part two of your

question, which i can't remember back to was -- >> you're good. >> was -- what would be, what would occur if putin used a tactical nuclear weapon? what would nato's response be? i think put up a no-fly zone. i think we would begin to target the black sea fleet, and i think we'd impose enormous military cost on every russian force inside ukraine. >> well, on the topic of u.s. support for ukraine. last month house minority leader kevin mccarthy hinted if the gop takes the house mees midterms funding to ukraine may shrink or even cease saying there would no longer be a "blank check" to ukraine. those comments now have ukrainians watching the midterm elections with added interest for what the results could mean for the military aid in their fight against russia. with more on that, bring in matt bradley live from om london.

matt, what are you hearing? >> reporter: i'm in kyiv at the moment, mika, but good morning to you, and you could say that, you know, ukrainians, the ukraine government mostly, is one of the largest stakeholders in the midterm elections coming up, but won't be getting a vote. this isn't a populist issue. if you walk around, ukrainians don't really know the difference between a democrat and republican, most don't, at least. the halls in power here in kyiv talking about this upcoming vote. not just because of kevin mccarthy was saying, you mentioned, but because of that letter a week after he made those comments from liberal democratic lawmakers who said that they need to push the ukrainians, or the biden administration should urge the ukrainians to negotiate. now, that letter was retracted but really sent a message and also sent the message to the kremlin, and we saw this in a lot of speeches that vladimir putin has been making up until now. always had kind of a scattershot

way trying to justify his disastrous invasion of ukraine. we heard last week he had a speech mentioning cancel culture, gay parades, mentioned dozens of genders. the kind of talk that really could be at home on fox news or on the conservative conference. this is culture war talk and vladimir putin is once again kind of dancing on the line between the figurative notion of a culture war as we use it in the states and an actual war in which people are dieing, and that's why the ukrainian government, speaking with officials, they really are watching these midterm elections very closely, and i asked defense mince sister alexi reznikov what he thought. here what he said. >> are you waging the u.s. elections closely and worried the republican party might come to pow around might decide, as kevin mccarthy said that ukraine

doesn't get a blank check? >> to make for a short -- because i had a lot of meetings with members of your representative -- main body, i mean congress and senate, and because of the bipartisan delegation every time and i got a lot of signals that it doesn't matter who will be with the steer, but the buck is on support of ukraine will be continued. >> it certainly is a bipartisan issue, ukraine and the united states. over the past couple of weeks we've seen that kind of fray. that letter from the 30 democratic members of congress that was retracted. does that worry you? this is no longer maybe a bipartisan issue? >> just my estimation, assessments -- assessment, that this is your internal agenda.

the rhetoric of your election campaign. when you will finish this campaign, the rhetoric will be changed. i'm an optimist. >> so, you know, he sounds really confident, guys. doesn't sound like anybody's going to turn off the tap for the money or the weapons coming from the u.s. but he has to do that. you know? he's a politician. this is war time. he has to pro just confidence and so do all the other politicians running the show here in kyiv, but from what we've been talking to people kind of off the record and behind the scenes, there are really, real words with the government here in kyiv that the republicans could come into power are, or democrats stay in power, and could turn off the money and the weapons that are flowing so freely right now. mika? >> nbc's matt bradley live from kyiv, ukraine. thank you very much. and what -- >> by the way, confusion. that looks, bromovich, maybe everybody feel at home. >> what do you make of the

concern republicans actually could vote to cut. >> i don't think they'll do it. very important to remember, chatter from donald trump talk like he and vladimir putin where in alliance and republican senators and house members would pass some of the toughest, this was when trump was president, pass some of the toughest -- sanctions against vladimir putin that had never weren't passed. i think this rhetoric to the ice ice -- isolationists and chamberlin caucus in the republican party, but for the most part, admiral, we found that the republicans, certainly the first part, they stood shoulder-to-shoulder, champions for freedom when it comes to ukraine. >> yeah. i don't see that changes, even if republicans take control. >> what about you? >> i agree. you know, pop quiz. what's the only international capital to which both nancy pelosi and mitch mcconnell have

journeyed? and that would be kyiv. >> right t. is, in my view, although you're going to hear creaking at both ends of the spectrum, and it's understandable. there's a lot of money going out the door. a lot of needs here in the united states of america, but i think most people, and polls support this, understand that this is the front line of democracy, and freedom, and liberty, and this is a courageous and meaningful struggle. therefore, i think in the center and, you know, this issue, it's a pretty big center. i think we're going to be okay. last thought. same with europe. europe's going to creek a little bit with energy prices and a number of other things but particularly with u.s. and europe standing together, it's a juggernaut coming at vladimir putin. >> and, willie, i think the biggest challenge for continued funding of ukraine, which i think is going to happen, is go to be as we move deeper and deeper into a recession, people are hurting so bad out there.

when you go to the grocery store. when you pay your rent. when you go get gas. heating bills this winter. >> trying to find a place to live. >> yeah. trying to find a place to live. it's impossible for so many young people to find their first home. the wages that they're making, not keeping up with inflation. as that happens, deeper into winter. politicians have to understand but have to do two things at once. i suspect end of the day probably will, but no doubt there's going to be unrest and some unease, because this recession, most economists believe, is about to go from bad to worse. >> and the united states government with its largesse can do both. kevin mccarthy and others in the house said, mitch mcconnell almost immediately said, yeah. that's not happening.

we're going to continue to fund ukraine for all the reasons the admiral laid out. >> former allied commander, thanks for coming on the she. show. ahead, the first democrat liz cheney has ever endorses. congresswoman elissa slotkin will join us after the two campaigned together last night. >> big. had a crowd there. didn't that? plus what could be a make or break moment looking at the economy, the main issue. the fed meets in a few hours on whether or not to once again raise interest rates, and up next, with less than a week to go until the midterm election, president biden is hitting the campaign trail. white house communications director kate bedingfield joins us. you're watching "morning joe." we will be right back. >> tech: at safelite, we take care of vehicles with the latest technology.

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of adam's family supporting catherine cortez mastoff. 14. think about that. think about that. now -- now -- let me say this. you know, we all might have a crazy uncle. you know? that kind of goes off the rails, but if you've got a full thanksgiving dinner table -- and they're all saying, you don't belong in the u.s. senate, when the people who know you best think your opponent would do a better job, that says something about you, and says something about katherine and the worth she's doing right now for the

people in nevada. >> he's good. >> he's good. got a future. >> reeling for the incumbent democratic senate kathryn cortes master, locked in a heat. >> he's really good at that. >> and he does it naturally. nobody writes it. this is him doing him, and i think we missed that. and the present field, no one comes close. >> this is especially -- the anecdote for trump and trumpism. >> uh-huh. >> is not to be shocked, which everybody is, and discreet, to shout, and scream, which everybody does. it's to mock them like that. light mocking. can you see how crazy these people are? love to explain how crazy they are because for whatever reason, talked about boxing before. some boxers match up against other boxers better.

politically this matches up best. barack obama's skill set matches ip best against trumpism against anybody i've seen. the light mocking make people stop and say, waits a second. these people are certifiable. >> not out-shout them, but mock them slightly. then people say, yeah, they are a little crazy. you've got to bring people to where they feel they make the conclusion, that they're crazy without you pounding it, and i think obama masters how to do that. >> so joining the conversation we have msnbc contributor mike barnicle. former u.s. senator now an nbc news and msnbc political analyst claire mccaskill is with us and al schmidt joins the table. you may remember al from the 2020 election when he was the lone republican on philadelphia's elections board, and resigned following threats of violence. he is now with the committee for safe and secure elections, a

bipartisan organization, made up of local election officials and law enforcement with the goal of protecting election officials and workers in order to administer safe and transparent elections. >> so, al, a couple weeks ago, so impressed. trump's own people said in 2020 that were in charge of the elections, safest most secure elections ever. i went there and so surprised how quick, efficient, how safe, how wonderful everything was. so that's great news. highway's it going across the country? what are you hearing? >> really there have been so many incredible improvements running elections. never more safe and secure. anybody who votes in the commonwealth of pennsylvania a paper ballot with candidates,sey

and used in not one but two audit. not cyber ninja audits and any of that stuff but it's come at a little price. elections changed a lot. i think that leaves some people a little confused about the process. >> and though it is -- when we were growing up, you show up. they go, what's your name? my name's joe. okay. here's your ballot. go in that box. here, showed my driver's licence. do the signature. match with the driver's licence. here's this. fill this out. mika, i do that. it was -- safeguards were great. it was fast. it was secure. it was great, and with the early voting, what i found is, there just aren't lines anymore. this is really. >>. i mean, it's really -- this is one of the great ironies where getting more and more people

involved in elections than ever before. it's easier to vote than ever before. and you have one party as things are getting better and better lying to their base saying they're getting worse and worse. >> well, i mean, you're absolutely right, joe. i voted by mail about a week ago. easiest thing possible. fill it out. sign it, everything like that. put it back in the mailbox. guy picks it up brings it to the town hall. easy, but -- we don't talk enough, i think, al, about the infection that's out there that's been out there now for four or five years that effects not only voters who now have some sense of disbelief that things are on the level because of the republicans have talked about it, but also the dangers it's posed to election officials in local cities and towns who are reluctant to take the job as poll watchers, and there have been some states where as we all know, people armed, armed and dangerous, waiting outside voting booths, waiting outside where people

vote in order to intimidate them. what do we do about that? >> i think one thing is to realize that all of these words, all of this political propaganda, seeming to undermine confidence in our election results comes at a price. and that price is that we have many people, many good people, many decent people, who love america very much. who have been deceived by all of these lies, but even more concerning, a much smaller group of people who are on some level deranged and act out as a result of all the lies that they're hearing. whether it's threats to election officials or what occurred on january 6th or in philadelphia's case two men came up with guns to the location where we were counting our voters' votes. in the birthplace of democracy, we had that happen, and they were arrested there and were also arrested because of their activity on january 6th. >> let bring into the conversation white house communications director kate bedingfield. great to have you back on the show and we want to talk a little bit about what's

happening at the polls in terms of safety and what else can be done, but first tell us where the president is headed in the final six days and what the message will be. >> sure. thanks for having me. sewed president will you out in new mexico, california, illinois, and you heard the message loud and claire in florida. this election is a choice. a choice between progress made on behalf of working families across the country in terms of forgiving student debt, lowering prescription drug costs, lowering energy bills, and the vision being put forward by the republicans which is to, to repeal all the progress we've made. allow the cap on seniors expenses for drugs to go back up to allow energy bills to go back up. and all of this in service of the special interests. so it's a very clear choice. the president laid it out last night and he said, republicans have been really clear not only do they want to do all of this,

they are willing to hold the economy hostage, the government hostage. if he will not accept cuts to social security and medicare. they said it loud and clear. so the president will continue to lay out that choice, because there is a really important one facing the american people in the coming days. >> with the republicans, what they've said about social security and medicare over the past six months defies logic. got to scare the hell out of a lot of senior citizens. kate, speaking be scare. crime. progressive politicians and talkers who try to downplay it. suggest that there's a racist element of people bringing up crime as an issue. a new pew poll eight in ten black democrats consider crime to be a major issue as they go to the voting booths this year. what can you tell us about the president's battle? what's his message? his closing message on crime? americans don't feel safe. what's the president saying? >> that he's continuing to work to attack it across the country. i mean, he has taken steps,

passed the most significant gun safety bill in the last 30 years. which is an important piece, we know, of bringing crime down to limit access to guns like that. he's been very clear that if he is given additional democrats in the house and senate and i obviously have to be careful from my own standing here how i talk about the elections, but he's been very clear. if he gets additional democrats in the house and senate he's going to fight for an assault weapons ban and you remember this clearly from the campaign in 2020, that he believes the answer is not to defund the police but give the police resources that they need to police well and, of course, that means accountability, but it means making sure that police officers don't also have to be social workers and don't also have to be counselors and they thhave resourcing they need when they are called in to a situation. so he's been very, very clear. the ansel not defund the police. it's fund the police, and i would note again, republicans

voted against police funding when they voted against the american rescue plan. first big piece of legislation the president got passed when he took office included funding that went to communities to enlarge the police. folks looking at who is going to be doing be tough on crime and provide resources needed to make neighborhoods safer, president biden has done that and there's a clear contrast with republicans. >> kate, talk how the president has gone out of his way to make sure there's a balanced and effective approach to deal with crime, because he's had any number of meetings with civil rights leaders, with advocates on both sides, and then firm, we've got to bring down crime together, but i'm also going to deal with the reforms you want. he's the only president signed and executive order on policing when we didn't get the john fetterman -- george floyd act

and i don't think people understand how muchest he's put in to making sure that everybody's on the same page and had the input. >> exactly right. exactly right. he knows and believes it's important to hear from everybody and to hear those perspectives and they're reflected in, as you said, the executive order on policing that he signed, and his focus on community violence intervention programs. we know that those kinds of programs can help reduce crime. the answer is not policing alone. policing is an important piece of it. as you say, rev, got to be balanced and he want to hear input from -- excuse me, from all groups to make sure we're doing in a way that serves communities and serves people around the country grappling with the issue. >> white house communications director kate bedingfield, thank you very much for being on the show this morning. >> i want to pick up our conversation -- >> thank you for having me. >> -- thanks, kate -- with al again. mail-in counting, can't be count

until election day, gives days and sometimes weeks for conspiracy theorys to fester. some might say they learned nothing from 2020. why is it that way and hope there may be change to know who won the night of the election? >> i think pennsylvania is a unique disadvantage for a lot of the misinformation about elections. florida, as you may recall, years ago was an example of how not to run elections in america. right now florida does it really well. they can pre-process mail-in ballot envelopes so on election night by around midnight they're able to report the mail-in ballot results. in pennsylvania, the law doesn't allow the boards of elections to begin processing mail-in ballots until 7:00 a.m. election morning. in 2020, when about half of our voters voted by mail in philadelphia, that's 375,000 mail-in ballots that we couldn't begin processing until -- why is that? the question is, why is that? why not be like florida. >> the laws originally passed

only allowed us to begin processing then. pennsylvania, it's a really frustrating situation, because it's a big problem with a very simple solution. that is, to allow pennsylvania to do what other states do, which is process those ballots in advance, but harrisburg has been unwilling to pass a reform package that gets that done. >> claire mccaskill a simple reason why it hasn't been happening. simple. before the 2020 election a lot of experts said if you want to make sure conspiracy theories don't rise up about this election, count your votes, pennsylvania, count your votes, michigan, count your votes, wisconsin the way florida does. by the way, not like if a belle castro's florida. ron desantis's florida. jeb bush's florida. right? and so rick scott's florida. and -- and they refused to do

it, and it was calculated and you heard steve bannon and you heard others say, hey, the early votes that come in are going to be supporting us. day of voters, counted first in those states. so we can say stop the voting. this is all calculated. i say, again is, the legislatures of pennsylvania, republican, the republican legislature in michigan. republican legislature in wisconsin, they know exactly what they're doing, and they knew in 2020 that if they did it the way florida did it and counted early votes early, the election would have been called by 10:00 p.m. that night. >> yeah. i mean, these legislatures are slavish to donald trump. i mean, in you peel all this back at the middle of it you have this guy sitting down at his golf club that's really motivating all of these people to try to leave these avenues of

claiming false fraud open, to anybody who loses. it is the most undemocratic small deed thing that could possibly happen in this country, and, you know, one thing, joe. i've listened to you guys talk about ukraine and what's going to happen in the senate. i think people need to realize that donald trump's power over the republican party has not gone away. in fact, in many ways it's grown. just like think for a minute. you act like we're very confident, that mitch mcconnell won't stop funding to ukraine. j.d. vance, blake masters, bud -- oz. what do they all have in kmong? totally trump-created people. they are trump folks. they're coming in to a senate where they are going to be expected by trump to vote against mitch mcconnell for leader. and they're going to be joining a bunch of other trump senators who are not in any way loyal to

mitch mcconnell. if anybody thinks that's going to happen in the senate or any of these oh legislators are going to get better as long as donald trump is in power is fooling themselves. >> and i wanted to get your thoughts on the environment around the political environment around the attack on paul pelosi. your reaction to republican leaders who say we shouldn't talk about this politically, because it doesn't line up at all. who are pushing conspiracy theories, and who you think could actually quell this violent rhetoric, if you think that the violent rhetoric that came down from donald trump led to the attack on paul pelosi? >> well, joe and i talked about this before. the interesting thing about the aftermath of this heinous attack on paul pelosi is the way the republican party has

disrespected not only a crime victim but the police. >> uh-huh. >> the hypocrisy around the idea that somehow they support the police really needs to be exposed here. think about what these police officers did. they responded to a 911 call. they went in to a very difficult situation and had to physically tackle someone who was trying to kill someone. they took them into custody. they mirandaized them and got a video full confession of what this guy had done, and the republicans want to somehow turn that into something that it isn't. so what happened to the blue line? what happened to the republicans? we saw what they did to capitol police officers. acting as if that 140 of them being beaten and maimed was not a big deal, and now they're saying to police officers that responded to a 911 call, which we all hope we have in our lives if something like this happened,

they are basically calling them liars. it's unbelievable to me. >> the blue line is not convenient to them in these two instances, and, therefore, they go a different direction. >> they really do. you know, mike, it is, again, you look at the conspiracy theories. that were being spread about this. by the way, not by freaks on the internet. not by wackos from qanon. some of the richest men in the world. owner of twitter. >> ted cruz. >> by powerful senators. powerful republican members of congress. and -- and the chatter on the phone when i was calling around trying to get information. the misinformation that was being spread, the conspiracy theories, being spread by mainstream figures. well, i think there was a male

prostitute, both in their underwear and said to a friend and -- it went on and on. again, i won't say shocking. i will say a new low, and the fact that mitch mcconnell's the only republican to really come out strongly and -- and -- and condemn this, in the strongest of terms without going, yeah, but -- like j.d. vance didn't last night. yeah, it's bad, but those canadians who overstay their work visa is concerning to our safety, it's none sense. >> like the glass was broken from the inside. maybe not, but we'll figure that out later. that's from the former guy who just injects that into the blood stream. if you look at this if you graduated from the john hopkins medical school and were one of the premier pathologists in the world you would ask yourself, what's the root of this virus?

this infection that has so, so messed up the united states of america? because it is an infection. and it is fed off of one person, i would submit, whose the premiere spreader, the former guy, and he's made it an art form, and i think, this is just personally. i think we have spent in our industry, the media, too much time over the last four, five years muttering to ourselves, how did this happen? >> uh-huh. >> how did we arrive at this point? instead of looking at it from the point of view of this question -- why did it happen? why were we so vulnerable? >> right. >> to this. why are we where we are now? what happened? >> and it started, again, it started with donald trump in the spring. >> yeah. >> of 2020 talking about rigged elections and mail-in ballots. here we are, willie. you and i talked about it time and again is.

educated people, our friends. lawyers, people that work on wall street believing these conspiracy theories, and here we have these conspiracy theories that have started already about paul pelosi, despite the fact, again, we know what happened. the police, we have the information. >> he confessed. >> we have the confession. he said it was going to be a political trial, he was going to savage her, take paul pelosi up. there is no ambiguity here but this is where republicans, like -- again, starts with donald trump. what's the cost of donald trump lying through this teeth and going, well some people say, or i'm hearing this, that are 0 the other. seized upon not just among the qanon crowd but for some reason from guys on wall street. you know. people with advanced degrees. lawyers. and they'll seize on these lies and we'll hear about this for 20 years. lies.

when they, again, they have the truth. they don't want the truth. they -- they -- they can't handle the truth, because it actually reveals a -- it's just -- reveals the violence that is part of trumpism. >> and even in a case like this. this is the part getting so many people is, it's one thing to have conspiracy theories about the election. al knows all about that. another to have a conspiracy about vaccines and masks. but a conspiracy theory about an 82-year-old man bashed over the head with a hammer, immediate will you jump to that, there must be something else to this story? that is a disease. a sickness. politicians learned from donald trump, go for it. lean into it. embrace it. it you're rewarded for that. >> you see kari lake on a stage saying should i make the joke about nancy and paul pelosi? make the joke about the 82-year-old getting his head bashed in with a hammer? >> yeah, go ahead. >> go, yeah. and the roomy erupts in laughte.

>> who raised people in that room? who were there mothers and fathers? who were their mothers and fathers? i can tell you, rev. >> why is that funny? >> if i were next to my mother and she were still alive or my father, were still ay live and somebody made a joke about an 82-year-old grandfather getting his skull fractured and i started to laugh, my mother would grab me by the arm and i would feel it going in like this, she'd go -- >> pull of you by your ear. >> who are you? what have i raised? this is wrong! so i ask the question, who were those people, who raised those people? what mother raised those people? what father raised those people? what church did they go to? what synagogue did they go to that they are so morally bereft

as -- and -- and -- and lack so much humanity that they laugh, they laugh at an 82-year-old grandfather getting his skull fractured simply because he is the husband of a woman whose political career -- >> add to that, who raised the leaders that would play on that. >> thank you. who raised kari lake. say the name. >> and even find that within the realm of being something she would want to represent. you and i have had very serious talks about how people like mrs. king and reverend jesse jackson, wait. getting on a national platform. you can't say these things because that's not who you are. we've known you since you were born. >> you told us. coretta scott king. grabbed you by the arm, stop talking. >> she could say that to me because i wasn't raised that way, so who is kari lake. >> who is she?

>> an these people leading these peemt and humoring them by making a joke about an 82-year-old man with a hammer and a president, a former president, going on radio saying, i heard that the glass was broke from the inside. i really don't know. i mean, what kind of leadership are we allowing to come up that would raise where that's even permissible? even if you misdirected people in the audience, if you really, you direct them the right way. you don't play on their weakness. >> i understand. i will say this, though, mike. we have four five, six, years been looking at the leaders -- looking at donald trump. looking at the kari lakes. it's time to start looking at the people who are empowering them. >> right. >> who know better. who -- know -- better. who were raised to be better citizens than that. because i can tell you -- >> hmm. >> they've grown up in an america where that never

happened before, and i will tell you this, too. it's somebody, the united states congress, when i was there, behaved that way. when they came back to congress, they would have the mark of the political beast on them. nobody would talk to them. they would -- they would -- leadership would take them to the side. they would be ostracized and they would be told, you go into the well of the chamber this afternoon and you apologize to the pelosis and to the american people or will you be taken off every republican committee you're on. this -- for people -- wake up! wake up! this has never happened before. ever, ever, in our life time. so for people saying you're making a big deal out of nothing. no. this has never -- nothing close to this has happened before, where, where violence is committed in a plot that was hatched to assassinate the speaker of the house, the second

in line for the presidency. her 82-year-old husband gets in the way and gets his skull fractured? probably with life-threatening injuries, and people are laughing about it. we are -- we are in a place that is so far removed from where we have been in our lifetimes politically that it makes one shutter when they think about it. >> joe, you were in congress a little more than two decades ago. and i would submit that if you and the fellow members of your congress both of the house and senate could walk through the politics of today, you would walk through it with a sense of total disbelief that you would not have believed that everything that the country stood for, believed that everything the country stood for, the congress stood for, just two decades ago, a snap of a finger in terms of history. i think in my heart and in my mind, we have never seen

anything like that is occurring today or has occurred over the past four or five years, and the element of character is critical here. character. anybody can have character in the dark, but you have to have character when the lights are on to stand up and say what happened in san francisco, what happened to paul pelosi is outrageous, it's out -- it's wrong, and it's critically dangerous to what we are dedicated to, democracy, politics, and i hesitate to say all republicans because i know -- >> it's not all republicans. >> no, but it's a good number. >> i want to say the dark spot on too many people are on many people in washington and else wear. >> you don't have to go back 20

years, go back to steve king. steve king said -- >> john mccain. >> what happens to steve king, he gets stripped of his committees and he gets defeated. there are good republicans out there, but the question is are they going to speak out about this kind of rhetoric. and claire mccaskill, you were there, and i think you can speak to how quickly things deteriorated in the house and senate. >> yeah, there's a calculation that has been made that if you just hide under your desk and try to ignore the ugly under belly that donald trump has brought to the forefront this will pass. mitch mcconnell is part of that group. he's telling everyone, you know, just stay calm and let's get through the midterms and then we will be in charge.

the desire for partisan power has become way more powerful than the ideals of america, our integrity and our ethics and our values have taken a backseat to i want to be in power and i don't care what i have to do or not do to get there. that's why you don't see some of the republicans that can't stand donald trump, and think he's awful for what he does and says, and that's why they are silent because they have somehow convinced themselves that they are not part of the problem because they are doing it because they want power, because then they can work to the policies they care about. you know, i would use bad language here, but you talked about how we were raised, and i will say bs, bs. >> uh-huh. >> and what is going to happen,

and you mentioned before, you are going to have a congress of trump loyalists and they are going to disrupt everything in the country, and susan and rob portman and the rest of them whim stand back and say, what have we done? oh, my lord, what have we done. >> you end up with kari lake who is devoid of character, and you wind up with dr. oz and being a resident of the state of pennsylvania, and herschel walker, and he doesn't have experience and the other issues that are coming, and j.d. vance, which is enough said. things will be worse. >> all i can say is, mitch mcconnell couldn't stop any of those people you just mentioned,

even if he tried. >> many leaders, and mitch mcconnell and mccarthy could call -- >> mitch mcconnell is -- let's talk about comparative trumpism right now. it's important to understand that mitch mcconnell is seen as a traitor to maga extremists. it's not a close call. if mitch mcconnell wanted to stop kari lake, he couldn't do that. that is up to the people in the audience laughing at kari lake. >> you don't think mitch mcconnell and other republican senators could be effective if they spoke out against -- >> they should speak out -- >> that's all i am saying, directly to it. >> it's not somebody is saying i can stop it, but i won't, and

that's not -- they couldn't stop donald trump -- >> so let's not try. >> they should speak out, but let me say again, and i hope you all can understand me, mitch mcconnell is seen as an enemy to the maga extremists. okay. this idea that mitch or rob portman, seriously -- are you kidding me? they look at rob portman and mitch like they look at me, you are not for trump so you must be the enemy? >> there's a vote for majority leader, and i believe that's a secret ballot. it's going to be interesting to see, how many people, how many members of the republican senate vote against mitch mcconnell for majority leader? there will be more than one.

joe's point, there will be more than one. >> i think everybody should be doing everything they can to speak out against what happened, specifically to paul pelosi and specifically to the violent rhetoric, and they should say it to their phases, to cruz's face, and there are many republicans playing a game with our country's values. >> i am glad you believe that, because that's what i believe. >> i know. i know. >> the problem is, they tried to stop trump. the entire republican establishment tried to stop trump. they couldn't do it. he ran over them. i am telling you, kari lake, she wants mitch mcconnell to attack her. she wants us to attack her. this is what ron desantis feeds off. when i was running, newt gingrich was against me. oh, my god, that was the

greatest thing in my district. i know bill clinton doesn't like me and i know newt gingrich doesn't like me. what does that tell you, people? it tells you they think i am going to shake things up, and they're the establishment. that's what is playing out with kari lake and oz and all of them. >> that's exactly the point that needs to be made, and mika has hit on it and you have hit on it, and at some point you have to say, fine, i will believe the enemy of you to stand up to what i believe, and it may not be popular of this crowd but i will not be defined by lowering the standards i believe in, and it defined the john mccain and others. you can't be on both sides. you can do this or you can do that, but you can't do this and

that. who are you? these people are being led by the cheap seats rather than standing on the big stage saying we need to be better than this. >> that's what you have said, and that's what coretta scott said. >> you have to ask yourself, who are you? >> the problem is too many of them are just beyond shame. >> claire mccaskill, thank you, and al schmitt, thank you as well. up next, a voice says congress needs to ban one of the most popular apps in america. we'll tell you which app and why. that's next on "morning joe." and we would experience turbulence. i would watch the flight attendants. if they're not nervous, then i'm not going to be nervous. financially, i'm the flight attendant in that situation. the relief that comes over people once they know

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police officer who died defending our country on january 6th. kari lake is very dangerous for

our country. she saw what happened on january 6th and continues to spread the big lie, and we're going to have more violence because people believe whatever she says. it's very dire for our democracy and our country with candidates like kari lake. my son died because of people like kari lake. >> the thing is, mike, last night there was booing when there was talk that officer sicknick died, and -- you know, we talk about these conspiracy theories and networks and the networks that don't show what happened. we have friends that say, nobody tried to kill mike pence.

what are you talking about? did they have guns. >> are you kidding me. >> that's what they do. >> you take the clip of that happening last night and you realize the accelerated pace of the violence, of rhetoric and the violence of the crowd reactions in politics today, and harken it back to a short time ago, john mccain, in 2008, when a woman at a campaign rally says to him that barack obama is a muslim and not an american citizen, and he takes the microphone away from her, and we should show that clip because it's instructive, and he says no, he's a good man, a family man and american citizen and was not born overseas. john mccain, the republican candidate for that year -- that was yesterday. >> yeah, and great people are

born and muslims that contributed to people all the time, and that was in 2008, it was seen as a negative thing. it was absolutely ridiculous. what is so frightening to me, willie, about this pelosi thing, but think about how quickly the conspiracy theories spread. >> oh, my god. >> lightning speed across the world. republicans, supporters of donald trump, elon musk, they immediately injected conspiracy theories into social media -- >> sitting senators. donald trump, jr. >> it spread at lightning speed.

>> yeah, if there is a moment of vacuum, the conspiracy series happen. they spent the weekend online cooking up this theory, and the man accused confessed, and we know what happened and it doesn't matter, and now we heard j.d. vance say what happened to paul pelosi is terrible and i condemn it, and then a comma and a but, and he's the illegal alien, and that's the democrat's fault as well, and that's revealing about the kphaeurbg tur of the people and the fear they have about donald trump and his voters. >> the thing is, mika, we saw the governor of virginia,

couldn't just condemn the attack, he had to turn it into a political punch line. we saw that with the red of the rnc saying send nancy pelosi home. we saw it time and again that it was used as a political punch line or a joke. >> the sick part of this is the mocking -- it's new. and liz cheney standing alone as the only person calling out the republicans that were mocking what happened to paul pelosi, and the thing that we are talking about this is an unbelievable depressing sign of where we are as a country. let's bring on right now the congresswoman that liz cheney -- the first democrat she has

endorsed. if you could talk to us about what liz cheney's endorsement means for your campaign? >> look, liz offered in our final week in september of voting, she came up on the floor and offered to do this and i was surprised. she said anything i can do and that started the conversation. i thought it was important a week before the election to recenter us on what elections are about, and what this election is about, and why it's important to elect people you may not agree with 100%, but who had decency and integrity, and liz and i agree on some hot issues in michigan, but we believe in one big thing, and that's preserving our democracy. it spoke to republicans, independents, and democrats in my district. >> what was the response? was it muted or is there a

following in your district for a politician like liz cheney? >> yeah, it was not muted. we had 800 people sign up in the first 24 hours. we could not fit them all in and had to turn people away. there was a full house and there has been a lot of coverage of it. in my mind i was elected in 2018 for the first time, yes, because democrats really came out, but in my republican-leaning district i had a ton of republicans, particularly republican women that flipped and voted for a democrat for the first time. it's speaking to those folks who are independently minded, and in michigan we still have a lot of ticket slitters, and she was an important figure for them. >> as a congresswoman i was out in l.a. this weekend, and while i was watching a football game with my son, every other commercial was an attack ad on katie porter, and she was the

worst human being of all-time and is destroying america, et cetera, et cetera, and over the top. i was shocked in a market as massive as los angeles, just the constant barrage of ads, and somebody spending a ton of money to take katie porter out. is it that way in your district as well? >> yeah, we are rated the most expensive house race in the country, just based on spending from super packs. the airwaves, you should see my dad watching shows with his shotgun on his lap and ready to shoot the tv. it shows you just the shear amount of money in politics that is affecting how people vote. >> i am wondering, with so much at stake, are democratic super packs, are they -- they were not in katie porter's district, are

they in your district returning political fire? >> yeah, i think what we are seeing across the country is republican super pacs have way more money, and in areas like mine the candidate raised more money, and i raised more money than my opponent and that's how i am keeping my head above water. that's what a trend we are seeing across the country. what is new about it, we are seeing democratic areas like california and new york. it throws me off a bit as somebody who is a purple and swing state that sees my peers in blue states being attacked in such a serious way. >> we had you on a couple months ago, actually, and you were feeling the impact of the overturn of roe v. wade. are you finding that abortion rights and that decision is

still as salient today as it was then? >> i don't think -- i mean, in michigan we have it on the ballot. we have something called proposition 3 which is codifying roe, and it's relevant, and every single family i know is struggling with the cost of living, so i think that it's still there but it's not the only issue people are considering. >> here is liz cheney talking about why she endorsed you. take a listen. >> this is, by the way, the first time i have ever campaigned for a democrat. and i have to tell you that it was not a hard decision at all. we have to elect good people.

we have to elect people who are competent, and elect people who will do the work and who take their obligations seriously, and all of those things describe alyssa slot kin. if we want to ensure the survival of our republic, we have to walk away from politics as usual, we have to stand up, every one of us, and say we are going to do what is right for this country, and if the people in our party are not doing the job they need to do then we will vote for people in the other party, because we are americans above all es. >> alyssa, six days to go. what is your message to voters? >> my message is don't tell

anybody how you should be voting, and you are an independently minded person, and make your own choices, and do what is right for the country which is not having a leader that tells you what you want to hear, but when the doors are closed and you are not in the room they are making choices based on decency and integrity, and i hope i have earned peoples' vote. >> thank you very much. >> jonathan, you look at all of the polls, and we have heard over the past few weeks it will be a massive red tsunami. i think that's where most people are. there have been polls that have come out over the last 24 to 48 hours that are quite instructive. i am surprised again by biden's approval rating. some polls have him in the low

40s, and he has 45s and 46s, and very interesting. look at the arizona poll, by the way. this is the arizona senate race, and this is, of course, good news for blake masters, the republican, but we have a dead heat here and for some reason mark kelly cannot win easily, and that's within the margin of error. kelly has blown a pretty big lead there. and you look at arizona governor, and everybody has already anointed kari lake the governor, and we have seen this race is close despite the fact that katie hobbs has been hiding and debate kari lake and refused to do what candidates need to do to win elections, and that's still tight. looks like we have a virtual tie in wisconsin in the senate race,

and we see polls still show this close, and johnson up by three points, 48 to 45%, and also within the margin of error. the governor's race also extraordinarily tight there. you go to the pennsylvania races -- a freuden slip, i always say pensacola. and then oz, everybody said he was on his way to victory, and then you have fetterman ahead in some points, and i should say at this point republicans should be winning in a massive way. go back to what mitch mcconnell said six months ago, the races would be over but for the poor quality of the candidates on the thi anybody has any idea how the senate is going to go. >> no, first on pennsylvania,

it's asking a lot for oz to outrun ma strae yawn yo, and voters are going to vote for shapiro. but virtually all the polls in every race are close, and we have seen a tightening in arizona, and new hampshire has gotten tight and republicans are nervous there, and they put money behind the maga support, and now people -- there's regret like should we have not done that? and a democrat told me that republicans wish the elections were a week ago. the democrats had a strong summer based off the president's

legislative accomplishments and the dobbs decision. the final act seems like it's the economy and crime, and the republicans looked like they were about to storm here to the finish line, and instead, democrats have caught up a little bit and everything is within the margin of error again. >> willie, if you look at the economy, which is getting worse by the day for working class and middle class americans, and you look at the concern about crime, and i don't know how this is close. i do know if you look at the polls, it's close. all of the states that were supposed to be over, and pennsylvania was breaking oz's way, and now you have people inside the republican party saying we're not so sure because things are tight everywhere, georgia, arizona, nevada, ohio,

pennsylvania, wisconsin. every race seems to be within the margin of error. >> some of those places, democrats are shocked, like new hampshire that the race is as close as it is, and it's the economy at the end of the day. i was talking about the issue of abortion with congresswoman slotkin, and we were talking off the air and you talk to other democratic campaign people, and they say it's still important to a lot of our base, but it's not the number one issue when we are talking independents. it's at the end of the day about the economy, and republicans in many successful cases have pinned it to biden and democrats. >> and i saw an article, rev, where you did a get out the vote rally in pennsylvania, and the question is are people of color going to be motivated to get

out? you have said for a very long time that black voters, black democrats, not as motivated as you would like to see them. how about in the final stretch? >> i think that they are starting to show more motivation, big turnout in georgia. in other parts we have not seen the same energy. i think a lot of it will be down the final stretch. you have to talk to people about what they are concerned about. i keep telling people, you have to turn people on to turn them out. don't be afraid to talk about crime. be afraid not to talk about crime. and at the same time talk about police reform and at the same time talk about what the supreme court may do on affirmative action. talk to people about what concerns them, but don't tell grandma or her granddaughter that i don't care that you might have a criminal act on your block or you might get thrown in

front of a subway, what i care about my pieces in front of my college professor. >> for many people, they are concerned about what is happening in front of their lives. and the supreme court ruled senator lindsey graham will have to testify before a grand jury in georgia after a judge blocked the subpoena. graham was subpoenaed for questioning in relation to the interference with the georgia ballot count. according to the court filings, the desire did -- decision means graham could face questioning as soon as november 17th. we will be watching for that. >> another example, mike, of the

supreme court when faced with these questions, playing it down the middle. clarence thomas got this, and there was a stay for like three days, and you go on twitter and people are saying you should be burned at the stake, and roberts said, yeah, we will hear both sides. we will do a stay and listen and in a couple days we will make a ruling. again, on these political questions, the court has since the election challenges, played it down the middle. >> the federal courts at the lower level and the supreme court on most occasions have held up substantiating the law is the law. >> an update on what is going on with twitter, if you are a verified user you will have to pay up to maintain your status, apparently. elon musk is considering a monthly $8 subscription for

verified users, and they would see half as many advertisers as nonpaying users. describing the current blue chip system, must tweeted power to the people, blue for $8 a month. the current optional subscription for blue checks costs $5 a month. and there's a premium subscription, or they could lose their blue check and this comes less than a week after musk closed a $44 billion deal to buy twitter and fired the company's top executives and dissolved its board and tweeted out a conspiracy theory about paul pelosi. >> willie, i don't think people will pay for their blue check

marks. the story is here we are seeing them -- i don't know, unwind before our eyes on twitter. it's a different version of kanye who is just sort of losing it publicly, but here you have elon musk, who is the richest guy in the world, but, you know, as you saw this yesterday unwind on twitter, he's getting -- you are the richest guy in the world -- >> what are you doing? >> -- you have spacex and tesla, and my grandma would say, get out of the sewer, joey. you fight with a pig, you will both get dirty and the pig is going to like it, and my grandmother would say you are a genius, go and invent things, get out of the gutter. >> how can he run spacex and

tesla and he's tweeting all the time. he's down with bots tweeting, and i think he's facing the own the libs mentality, that works for other people. >> the verification, the blue check mark, it's not a status simple, and it's so people who see tweets know it's the real person tweeting. >> you have to pay to be real? >> the disinformation will only increase. people can pose to being a newscaster or politician, and other people reading those tweets will not know what is real or not. this is not just a bad business idea but it's dangerous. >> the cost of $8 to keep the blue check, the root of it is he made a bad business deal and vastly overpaid for twitter, and he has an enormous amount of

debt that he has to cover and he's worried about the stock price of tesla going down further. >> why, if you are one of the great creative minds of our time -- by the way, if walter isaacson is following you around, he writes books about steve jobs to benjamin franklin, right? he is. why is he getting distracted? twitter is a sewer. it has been a sewer. it's so outside of his range of talents. i don't -- i just don't understand it. $44 billion -- i wouldn't pay $44 to run that thing, and he paid too much and he's involved in a business that is only going to lead to problems. >> i believe if you look up the

definition of narcissim, elon musk's picture is next to it. >> i think that might be the problem. tim ryan of ohio, we'll show you his appearance at a fox news town hall where he was able to turn audience boos into applause. plus, the fed is preparing for another interest rate increase, and two days from now we will get another jobs report. andrew ross sorkin will be here on "morning joe." we'll be right back. okay season 6! aw... this'll take forev—or not.

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j.d. vance and tim ryan last night, it was a town hall but there was debate-like moments.

it was quite something. >> yeah, tim ryan went into a fox news town hall, and he talked about a ton of stuff and sat down with bret baier and martha mccollum, and martha asked ryan about what he said on our show, we have to kill and confront the extremist part and work with the normal mainstream republicans. >> when you say the maga movement should be killed and confronted, who is in that category? >> the guys that stormed the capital on january 6th. they are the leaders -- they are the leaders -- this is what i am saying. they stormed the capitol on january 6th, and they beat up 140 police officers and killed one -- okay, they killed one --

we all watched the -- we all watched -- we all watched -- we all watched the video -- >> let me speak. >> let him finish, please. >> i am happy to have this conversation and not afraid to have this conversation, and these are the conversations we need to have in this country, and i welcome you guys, and let's just be respectful but i am allowed to be here and defend myself. on january 6th, i sit on the committee that funds the capital police, and 140 of them got hurt, and some cannot go back to work because they were beaten and they were trying to stop the peaceful transition of the government. what else were they doing there? somebody tried to kill mike pence, and now somebody beat

pelosi with a husband. and j.d. vance raised money for them. again, i don't care what your politics are, but americans should say no, we have to say no to that. >> and he did get applause at the end of that, and the booing was over the comment about the death of officer sicknick. he's walking a tightrope of being in a state that has gone red, and trying to win over republicans that are not in love with j.d. vance in ohio. >> j.d. vance is a weird guy, i mean, for ohio. republicans look at him as being a weird guy, and i talked to republican donors, and republicans say he's the worst candidate they have seen at that level, and he's the laziest candidate and disinterested and

gets in fights -- >> well, there's georgia. >> yeah, they like him in georgia. >> j.d. vance, unlike herschel, j.d. vance never won a heisman trophy -- >> that would go a long way. >> and that, as robert frost would say, has made all the difference. and j.d. vance, he is a venture capitalists, and he loved being around elitists and going on shows like this, and going to cocktail parties, oh, j.d., you understand, and yes, i do. they would be in his vest and saying i like the smartest people in the world. doesn't that sound just like him? >> yes. >> there's a weird disconnect between that guy that peter teal

has placed in the heartland, and he got rich by mocking his own people and making them look like zombies. let me tell you something, baby, i would not have gone back to my high school reunion, if i wrote a book and said i looked in the windows and their eyes looked like zombies, and he got rich and famous by kicking his own people. i don't know if that's a winning formula, but i will say, we have known tim ryan for a long time and he has grown -- he is good, and he's run about as good of a campaign that i have seen on this level. >> democrats across the nation say ryan's campaign was as good of a campaign in a state that dramatically trended red and most democrats did not think was in play, and national democrats

are still not funding. >> it's insane. >> why? >> and he said i am still not getting the help i need here in the stretch run, so the fact that the polls are as close -- yes, it has helped that j.d. vance is not a fit for ohio, a carpet bagger, and he has shifted his opinion on a number of stances a number of times, and polls have ryan just down, but he has run a remarkable campaign in a difficult state. coming up, trump 2024 campaign prepares for a post mid-terms launch. we will talk about the former president's political position just ahead on "morning joe." out here, there's no shortage of beautiful things. for some, it's an impossible view.

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herschel walker keeps getting more -- by the way, on a personal level, not talking politics, just stay off your twitter machine. when i see herschel out there, i see that has a tragedy for herschel and his family. he doesn't belong there. he has been pushed out there by power -- by donald trump. he's not ready for primetime, and he keeps saying things that are absolutely humiliating. yesterday talking about barack obama needed to go back to wherever he came from, and just more bad news coming out every day for people who have been affected by herschel throughout his life. i do find it -- i just -- i can't believe that the people of georgia would vote for a guy that has had as many problems -- >> he's just not fit for the job. >> he's not fit for the job, not qualified for the job, and

doesn't -- he doesn't have the capacity to affectively be a united states senator. >> don't forget the second woman that accused him of paying for an abortion came forward and did an interview. she came and put herself out there which had to be something she did not want to do. you know, so when mika raised georgia, and you were talking about j.d., and you are right, j.d. vance never won a heisman, but nobody ever accused my friend in georgia of ever writing or much less, reading a book. >> yeah, and people talk about fetterman and can he talk, and has somebody interviewed herschel walker and listened to him on the issued? >> talking about where j.d. vance got rich and how he did,

and i have been to georgia twice, and do you know how people in the black community feel that this is the example you put up to our children? it really is condescending. and only donald trump, who sees everybody has pawns that he moves around, and i remember when he was partnering with don king and i was there, and putting boxers in the ring, and let's match this because i have to fill the atlantic city convention city, and that's how he threw herschel into this bout, a man that was qualified and educated, and just throw a black guy in there, and it's insulting to blacks and whites in georgia. >> if you read there's -- there's just a historical pattern here. and talking about the rise of

totalitarianism. what do strong men do? they replace competency with loyalty, and they will get rid of those that can make the country better and replace them with stooges -- >> that's exactly what is happening. >> exactly. you look at dr. oz, not qualified. he's a tv doctor that sold magic beans -- >> from new jersey. >> and you look at j.d. vance, and you look at herschel walker and blake masters out in arizona. you have people that are unqualified in every respect to be a united states senator, but, again, replace competence with shear political hack are.

>> what you hear in the answer you heard earlier played from j.d. vance when he talked about paul pelosi being attacked, and why is there a but? i hear fear of donald trump and his voters, and if i get an unqualified answer, am i going to lose votes? that's what you see, fear of donald trump and his voters. >> and kevin mccarthy screaming hysterically at donald trump to stop the rioters and then going to him to apologize. >> yeah, we are saying on the show, when trump was silent about the attack, that ended yesterday and he trolled in the

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russia stepped up its efforts this week to push out ukrainian citizens moving them eastward into areas more solidly held by russian forces, while russia claims the move is to protect civilians, ukrainian officials say it's part of a campaign to terrorize and deport

them. russia has been relocating civilians from the area for weeks ahead of the potential battle for control. kherson is one of the four territories illegally annexed by russia in september. its capital city provides an access point to crimea. and the black sea, along with a path to ukraine's southern coastline for invading russian forces. >> admiral, gets up to date, if you will, with -- where are we? >> first and foremost, russia continues to flail badly. secondly, you were talking about the astros stealing signals. we are stealing a lot of signals. we were winning in the information and intelligence war in ways that are really hurting them. thirdly, watch the city of kherson, that we just showed. that's going to be an absolutely critical key place, geographically, as mentioned, it guards the entrances to crimea, which is the main ball for putin.

psychologically, it's huge. it's the last major town still held by the russians. >> do the russians have the wherewithal to hold it at this moment, given the moment? >> i do not think so. i think kherson will fall in the next couple of weeks, and then enter old man winter. and this thing will really slow down on the ground. last thought, watch the sea. watch the black sea. watch the fact that the russians have pulled back on this grain deal. that's going to hurt huge swaths of the developing world, if the grain can't get out. right now, today, as we are talking, brave sea captains, merchant ship captains are still sailing that grain, without guarantees from russia, for safety. watch the sea. >> quickly on that, even as you've been talking about. russia says it will rejoin the deal, allowing grain shipments from ukraine's ports, which may unease -- ease some of the uncertainty around food supply. >> that is hugely good news. and i'll tell you exactly why

putin has chosen that path. it's not because of his better angels. it's because he knows, if he tried to stop those grain shipments, there would be u.s./navy destroyers up there in about five minutes. nato ships. we would escort that grain, just like we escorted oil tankers back in the 1980s. >> so, katty, it's very interesting, if they can't hold on, if the russians can't hold on, and you have the ukrainians on the doorstep of crimea, at that point, we start moving from a military situation to a diplomatic situation where vladimir putin has made clear that crimea is the red line for him. and that's when you start talking about tactical nuclear weapons. we could be coming, even before winter, to a flashpoint the likes of which we really haven't seen since the cuban missile crisis. >> yes, there are a few things going on that might be putting

pressure on vladimir putin right now now. one is they're keeping an eye on the u.s. midterm elections to see whether the u.s. maintains its resolve, particularly with some of the splits we've seen, not just within the republican party, but to some extent, within the democratic party as well, around both carrying on funding, weapons for the ukrainians, but also trying to push the white house to get into some kind of diplomatic negotiation. so the russians are watching that very closely. the ukrainians are watching that very closely, with the very real prospect that december might be one of the last big moments for a usa package to the ukrainians. but this talk of a possible tactical nuclear strike, there's confusion here in washington about whether, you know, how serious is this, how much is this, the kremlin just wanting to raise fear in the west. i mean, are they just using this, the talk of this, this meetings around this, are they just using that as a way to terrify the west, and should we

keep that into some kind of perspective, which is what the white house and the pentagon seem to be saying. listen, we haven't seen any movement on nuclear strikes, we're not seeing anything that makes them think that they've changed their nuclear force posture. so let's tamp down the rhetoric on that, because actually, the west getting afraid of that is exactly what vladimir putin would like. coming up, the federal reserve is poised to take another crack at soaring inflation. will a new rate hike pump the brakes on rising prices? cnbc's andrew ross sorkin joins us straight ahead. "morning joe" is back in a moment. aight ahead. "morning joe" is back in a moment

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